tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213258633847494266.post3215467775934203769..comments2023-08-02T08:43:55.712-07:00Comments on Yah is One. Yah is Love.: 21crosscheck21 posts a sensationalized video PLUS a bonus hell rantmicheygirl66http://www.blogger.com/profile/16182929002057872230noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213258633847494266.post-15642862407982945632009-09-23T16:22:19.232-07:002009-09-23T16:22:19.232-07:00Kellie... no offense taken. My comment was not re...Kellie... no offense taken. My comment was not really directed towards you. I LOVE YOU!<br /><br />As far as your position towards the org., not really my business, that's between you and Jesus. He's the one that asked the question: "who really is the FDS?"<br /><br />It's a question we all need to answer back to him.<br /><br />I personally feel I can answer him with certainty. But my answer can be different from the person next to me. But one thing is for sure... there is only ONE true answer.Maribelhttp://www.youtube.com/user/littleamigosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213258633847494266.post-81015197432950955342009-09-22T22:56:26.694-07:002009-09-22T22:56:26.694-07:00Maribel,I certainly didn't mean to offend.I wa...Maribel,I certainly didn't mean to offend.I was only trying to point out the delicacy of children when confronted with Armageddon or hell.I wasn't making some sweeping statement about JW parenting ..I pointed out that they are exposed more to comforting things.Sounds like you're doing an awesome job as a mother.You have a beautiful family for sure!<br /><br />dcr..I appreciate your sentiments and have been where you are wholeheartedly.So I understand the way you think and feel.But I can't lie and say I am not having issues right now.I won't go into detail.This isn't the place.I appreciate your intellect and passion for your beliefs.<br /><br />Is the "independent thinking" the WT discourages really so treacherously evil?How else will we know if something is just and true unless we step outside the box and actually evaluate everything independently,prayerfully?How else would a Mormon or an orthodox Christian or anyone else know something may be wrong with their belief system without "independent thinking?"micheygirl66https://www.blogger.com/profile/16182929002057872230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213258633847494266.post-38527440548286261562009-09-22T12:04:08.459-07:002009-09-22T12:04:08.459-07:00dcr2414.... very well said!
reality check: anybo...dcr2414.... very well said!<br /><br />reality check: anybody who believes Jehovah is NOT using an imperfect organization in the last days to accomplish his will, is only fooling himself. YES, a hard pill to swollow indeed. All you need to do is understand the temple arrangement from ancient Israel, and the temple vision the prophet Ezekiel had. They prefigured a spirtual TRUTH that not many can grasp and understand.<br /><br />BTW - I have a 4 and 3 year old boys. WE DO NOT "bambard" our children with armageddon.... that is just a BIG FAT LIE!!!! We bambard our children with beautifull scenes of paradise. My boys certainly understand that Jah will send his Son to do away with bad and sad things, but that is NOT the thrust of what we teach our children. THAT is the TRUTH... coming from a JW MOTHER.Maribelhttp://www.youtube.com/user/littleamigosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213258633847494266.post-81221032115069076172009-09-22T01:47:53.420-07:002009-09-22T01:47:53.420-07:00Kellie, I certainly realize that the earthly part ...Kellie, I certainly realize that the earthly part of Jehovah's organization is filled with imperfect people - I am, of course, a prime example! ;-)<br /><br />Sadly, injustices can and have occurred. But I don't see it at an organizational level - only on an individual level (sometimes at the congregational level but I count that as the same as the individual level). My experience has taught me that far and away the vast majority of the problems people have, including the elders, is due to their failure to heed much repeated counsel in the publications, at the meetings and at the assemblies.<br /><br />Also, some (certainly not all) of the "injustices" people have experienced are only perceived, not real - it is their viewpoint that needs adjusting. Hey, some of Jesus' own disciples left off from following him because, according to them, "he was speaking shocking things."<br /><br />Even Jehovah could be criticized, if one had the wrong attitude/viewpoint. Example: Why did he allow Satan to have access to heaven for thousands of years after the rebellion in Eden? Look at the havoc Satan caused as a result - misleading the angels to become demons, spawning the Nethillim necessitating the Flood, disputing with Michael about Moses' body, bringing about the trials of Job, trying to destroy the Kingdom at its birth, just to name a few. From a fleshly standpoint, this certainly seems like a legitimate criticism. Having the proper spiritual viewpoint however, we realize that, even though we do not fully understand why he allowed Satan access to heaven, we trust his judgement and handling of the situation. This leads to my final point.<br /><br />1 John 4:18 states "There is no fear in love, but perfect love throws fear outside." Love will prevent us from having fear with perceived problems within the organization. Why? If we truely believe in our hearts that Jehovah is using this organization, then love for Jehovah will move us to wait patiently on him (and with long-suffering if need be) to resolve the issue. It may be that it is our perception that needs adjusting and not "the organization's". If we realize that the Faithful Slave has our best interests and well-being at heart, then love for our brothers will also help us to be patient (Rom. 12:10; 1 Thess 5:12, 13; Php 2:29). Think of all of the wonderful truths that we learned through the Slave. Remember, Jesus has enough trust in the Slave class to have appointed them over all his earthly belongings. If they make any mistakes, they will answer to him and any hardships caused can and will be undone by Jesus/Jehovah (Acts 20:28; Heb. 13:17).<br /><br />I truely believe that Jehovah is using this organization. Hence, I have no problem defending it "blemishes" and all (obvious right :-) ).dcr2414http://www.watchtower.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213258633847494266.post-62655164230871679202009-09-21T19:29:34.834-07:002009-09-21T19:29:34.834-07:00dcr..I appreciate all you said and you said it art...dcr..I appreciate all you said and you said it articulately and logically.No organization can be perfect so I don't really defend it anymore as if it were.Jah and Jesus.They're perfect.I for one won't deny that children may be disturbed by a lot of Armageddon preaching and parents telling them their friends who aren't JW's will have their corpses cleaned up by JW's.It is disturbing and unfortunately,it can be excessive.I'm not denying most of what you said..but I think there are more flaws in the org than maybe you're willing to acknowledge.If I'm wrong,forgive me.I say it out of love and perceive a few injustices within the organization,personally.And people are afraid to speak up,for obvious reasons.That alone is an injustice.micheygirl66https://www.blogger.com/profile/16182929002057872230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213258633847494266.post-120858252306436192009-09-21T11:28:44.666-07:002009-09-21T11:28:44.666-07:00Since Jehovah's Witnesses are convinced from s...Since Jehovah's Witnesses are convinced from scripture that we are, indeed, living in the last days, then we are correct in drawing people's attention to that fact. People need to be warned! What message do you think that Noah was focused on and actively preaching for 40-60 years - one of peace and tranquility? No! one of impending destruction. Since we are living in parallel times as Noah, the warning MUST be issued.<br /><br />That being said, I certainly do not see that Armageddon is overly emphasized and pictures of it are VERY rare. The ones in the video were taken from publications that are spread over many years. Children certainly are not "bombarded" with these images/ideas in the publications or at the meetings. They are, in fact, given postive instruction. The vast majority of what is in the publications is focused on the Kingdom and how it will solve all of mankind's woes, on developing a Christ-like personality, on the preaching work, and on drawing close to Jehovah. These lessons, and many other positive ones, are even in books designed for children/adolescents - such as "My Book of Bible Stories", "Learn from the Great Teacher", and "Questions Young People Ask; Answers That Work" Vol I & II. All of the children I know are healthy, happy ones. What happened in the video is a tragedy but is certainly not unique to Jehovah's Witnesses.dcr2414http://www.watchtower.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213258633847494266.post-76397489426475281252009-09-20T20:30:22.552-07:002009-09-20T20:30:22.552-07:00jw4life,Don't be concerned!I erased that accou...jw4life,Don't be concerned!I erased that account impulsively and wish i hadn't!Didn't you erase one too ?;)<br /><br />Brian,maybe you missed the point?The bible says to first extract the rafter.Yours is looming large ..unless you are a rare gem of a traditionalist indeed,you have preached hell.You have told your children about hell.It is the human mind's goal to move toward pleasure and away from pain indeed and so children may do everything they can to push it out of thier mind.But children are also imaginitive and sensitive.You aren't doing ANYONE any favors preaching a bold faced lie.I would have no complaint (except that you didn't inform anyone these boys may have been murdered and no one actually knows what happened to them!) if you didn't preach hell.<br /><br />Btw,putawaythatmeat has nothing to do with "meat of the word"..I am vegan(for the most part),hence the name.That was impulsive as well and I wish I hadn't used the name.I've been chastised for it. <br /><br /><br />Mike,nothing you just said takes away the complaint I'm TRYING to make against the constant "hell" threats from ill informed traditionalists.I agree that the focus on Armageddon(and I have not studied what you are proposing..is it in that Last Days book you blogged about?) is excessive with the WT.But I also remember as a child having heartwarming feelings when being told about Paradise on Earth and actually finding it in the bible!There is nothing more comforting.Nothing.Also comforting?Finding out hell is a lie.Now that's the biggest sigh of relief you will ever hear from a person who has been lied to and,yes,traumatized by it!<br /><br />Bottom line:Eternal life in a fire is more traumatic(times trillions) than being killed.Even if it is friends or family or ANYONE ELSE suffering such sadistic nonsense forever.Since it is a lie,I can't even imagine Jah's feelings about the propagation and threat of it.What exactly is it about the threat of hell that is easy for children to process?micheygirl66https://www.blogger.com/profile/16182929002057872230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213258633847494266.post-12815926860555062902009-09-20T15:55:14.208-07:002009-09-20T15:55:14.208-07:00Also consider the fact that The Watchtower's p...Also consider the fact that The Watchtower's premillenial eschatology might just be wrong, in which case the pictures would be depicting the events surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. If this is the case, then the only thing to fear would be the due punishment for their crimes against God. <br /><br />Perhaps if the Watchtower wasn't obsessed with the end times, people wouldn't have the fear that they do.Mike Felkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01974482615713418707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213258633847494266.post-16452207374845985972009-09-20T12:05:33.097-07:002009-09-20T12:05:33.097-07:00Kellie,
Here's were I think you are going wro...Kellie,<br /><br />Here's were I think you are going wrong. I am not criticizing them for preaching Judgment. What I am criticizing is showing these graphic images and incessantly talking about impending destruction to young children ill equipped to process it. I will, and have criticized Christians who do the same, however my experience is that it is far less prevalent as most have children services.<br /><br />"putawaythatmeat" (i think that's it) is the title of your blog.... do not children need milk and not meat? That is the question the video is meant to raise in the minds of the viewers. Note I never say that this "did" happen, I said what "can" happen. How about we not take that risk.<br /><br />I have allot more that I could say but I will leave it at that.21CrosschecK21https://www.blogger.com/profile/15980096017128331245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213258633847494266.post-16769651853151169522009-09-20T05:44:30.425-07:002009-09-20T05:44:30.425-07:00I enjoyed your youtube vids...any reason why you c...I enjoyed your youtube vids...any reason why you closed your channel?<br /><br />-concernedjw4lifenoreply@blogger.com