Monday, December 6, 2010

A Few Questions for Trinitarians

Question # 1:

Deuteronomy 32:6 Do you thus repay the *LORD,*
you foolish and senseless people?
Is not he your *father,* who created you,
who made you and established you?

Now I want you to ask yourself who Yahuwah is here?The father,son and holy spirit?OR the father?Moving on to verse 39 in the SAME CHAPTER

39 “‘See now that I, even I, am he,
and there is no god beside me;
I kill and I make alive;
I wound and I heal;
and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.

So WHO,*in context*, is saying "there is no god beside *me*?"..the Father(verse 6,again) or the father,son and holy spirit triune essence?Think about it.

Malachi 2:10: Have we not all *one Father?* Has not *one God* created us?

So according to Malachi here,who is the One God who created us?The father?Or a triune essence composed of three persons?

Question # 2:

2 Timothy 1:9:*This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time*

Could you then properly pray "Father give me the grace I had with you in Christ Jesus before time began?"

Ephesians 1:4: *he(Yahuwah) chose us in him(Yahushua) before the foundation of the world*

Could you then properly pray this way:"Father bless me in Christ with the blessings I had in him with you before the foundation of the world?"..

If so,why must Yahushua's prayer in John 17:5 where he asks for the glory he had with God entail a literal preexistence if it didn't for us?Especially considering that we too figuratively already have that glory seated and glorified in Yahushua and have had it since before time began in God's extraordinary decree!!Yahushua in John chapter 17 speaks as if we already have it because this is how the Hebrew mind worked.(verse 22..etc.)

Question # 3

In texts like 1 Corinthians 8:6 and Colossians 1:16 the preposition dia is translated as "by" or "through" and most gather from this that Yahushua created for his father in Genesis.Considering Yahushua only ever gave his father credit for creating(saying things like "HE created them male and female" Matt. 19:4) and resting in Genesis(Yahuwah rested,not Yahushua),is it possible that dia should be translated more properly as "in"?(just as legitimate an interpretation as "by" or "through"..another possibility is "because of" or "for the sake of")After all the bible says we were seated in Christ before time began(2 Tim. 1:9,Eph. 1:3-11) in heaven in God's foreordained salvation plans.Since the bible says this,and the father said he created alone(Is. 44:24),is it possible his creating everything in Christ meant he created everything knowing all would be fulfilled in Yahushua when the full limit of time had at last arrived?(Gal. 4:4,Eph. 1:10,11,Isaiah 55:11)That our survival would be wrapped up in his word of life(or salvation plans) that became flesh in Yahushua when he was born,when he died,and when he was raised in glory to plead for us and make us new?(1 John 1:1,2,1 Cor. 15:45,Rom. 8:34,2 Cor. 5:17,Gal. 6:15)

Question # 4:

Luke 1:35:"The *Holy Spirit* will come upon you, and the *power of the Most High* will overshadow you; *therefore* the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God."

Let's take this one piece at a time.The *Holy Spirit* will come upon you, and the *power of the Most High* will overshadow you.The holy spirit is here defined for you,so what is the holy spirit?One of God's three people OR power from on high?If the holy spirit is a person,why doesn't Yahushua call HIM father considering the fact that "he" caused Yahushua's birth?

Then it says: *therefore* the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God."

So is Yahushua the unique Son of God because God is his father by spirit OR because he's somehow the same God?If you say the latter,then how come this text communicates something quite different from that?

According also to Luke 1:35,when did Messiah Yahushua come into existence literally?Is a transmigration or hypostatic union communicated here?Lets look at it again.

Luke 1:35:"The *Holy Spirit* will come upon you, and the *power of the Most High* will overshadow you; *therefore* the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God."

I can't find within the text itself anything(and this also goes with any of the birth narratives) about a preexistent person finding his way into a womb,or falling from the sky and being out of commission for 30 some years because now he's suddenly the man Yahushua.This also proves Christ actually had a begettal and communicates his origin.God has no begettal or origin.

Question # 5:
In Mark and Matthew,Yahushua converses with a scribe and Peter.In both instances it is made clear who his father is and who he is.Trinitarians expect people like me to go far beyond these easy explicit texts and to rather confess an uninspired creed.

Let's see what we must really confess for our Lord to approve of us and of our insight from reason and scripture.

Matthew 16:13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

What is the blessed confession here from Simon Peter?That Yahushua is the second person of the same God his own father is or that he is that One's Christ and Son?What right do you have to believe something removed from this when Yahushua praised this revelation?Or to judge those who believe it and understand it doesn't communicate a triune Hellenistic essence,the stuff of uninspired creeds?

Let's examine:
Mark 12:28 And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” 29 Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’32 And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that *he*(someone OTHER than Yahushua) is one, and there is no other besides *him.*(Yahushua's father) 33 And to love *him*(the scribe and Yahushua's God) with all the heart and with all the understanding and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.” 34 And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God” And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions.

As clear as day here the scribe who Yahushua said answered wisely and to whom he said "You are not far from the kingdom of God” identified The Messiah's FATHER as the God of the Shema(Deut. 6:4)Yahushua,rather than correcting him and telling him who *also* might be the God of the Shema along with his father,Yahushua rather praised him and let him go on believing that his father alone was the One God of Israel,also HIS own God mind you.Don't you think these conversations with genuine believers like Peter and this scribe would have been a grand time for Messiah to tell the truth that God was 3 or 3 in one and that he was also the God of the Shema?Why doesn't he ever correct anyone who doesn't seem to understand that he's a person of the God of the Shema?He rather praises the scribe for understanding his father *alone* is and never rebukes Peter for not confessing that he's the same God whose Christ and Son he is!It would have been quite the revelation for Yahushua to claim deity within the same God of the Shema who was his own God!He simply never corrected the scribe and Peter but rather praised them for what trinitarians today would haughtily deceptively call incomplete confessions!How deceptive would Yahushua had to have been to let these guys go on believing incomplete truth as the whole truth?My guess would be that Yahushua expects us to heed these texts and discard what we've been taught by men who would lambast us for not going beyond these BIBLICAL creeds.

Yes,folks,the approved men who confessed bible creeds were commended by Yahushua so we need not confess anything different at all.

Btw,I'm not a sacred name movementer(if you might have been wondering)..I just like using more accurate pronunciations of the 2 most important names in the world ..that's all.I still slip and say Jehovah and Jesus A LOT.

Question number 1 and question number 5 contain points that explicitly reveal who the God of the Shema is.Let's all pay attention to scripture.As a former Jehovah's Witness,I can honestly say that if you can't empty yourself of all you've ever believed(suspecting conscientiously something is wrong somewhere)God CANNOT fill you with spirit and truth and will allow you to remain in error.He appreciates humility and that involves emptying yourself of you and your traditions just to make sure what he reveals to you is congruent with your cherished beliefs(that should be questioned).It disheartens me to say the least to see so many ex JW's embrace another belief system handed to them from more deceived men for lack of having the milk established and the easy tools to defeat men's sophistry,to overcome the implanting of yet more "theological persuasions" that have no real basis in explicit bible revelations.Insidious and concerning deceptions abound.And it is precisely because I love and care about you that I tell the truth here.Could I really say I love you if I was willing to let you believe lies when the truth is so freeing,important,and simple?Yes,God is beyond our understanding,but we don't have the right to discard what he has revealed for our understanding.And a triune essence isn't a part of that.

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