Saturday, January 29, 2011

Arius and Athanasius

A reupload of a youtube video minus my former Arian leanings.This is FAR from a Nicene council schooling.If you want that I recommend the excellent book "When Jesus Became God" by Richard E. Rubenstein..All this is is a reiteration of a literal few arguments that Athanasius presented at the council,why they're easily invalidated and a little about the influence of Greek philosophy on the minds of the Early Church Fathers..Since Arius's books were all burned and no one knows the intricacy of his every argument in no way am I claiming to believe JUST as he did.I don't think there was good reason to use a "nature" or "essence" argument anywhere..and I think both sides did.The bible is pretty clear..Angels are spirits.God is a all heavenly creatures have a SPIRITUAL nature that is not corporeal and so claiming that Christ has the same nature as his father means what exactly?That they're both life giving spirits?Then I concede.(though I believe Jesus is a life giving spirit in corporal form..Col. 2:9 and only because God made him one)The same being?Sorry,that's not in the bible.Let me post some explicit creeds that need not be tampered with:

John 17:3:Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, AND Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

1 Corinthians 8:5:For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. (so we have the ONE GOD identified AGAIN as the father..and we have the ONE LORD Yeshua who had to be MADE LORD BY the ONE GOD.(Acts 2:36)..Trust me when I say (and please be realistic here) God is not the SAME Lord he had to make Lord.Yeshua is not the SAME God who had to make him Lord.

Deuteronomy 6:4:Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (and men can use twists of tongue and sly speech and outright lies to say if they have 3 each individually the one true God and say they have just 1 true God all they want,but it doesn't make it real,except in a traditional illusion/lie)


**disclaimer**:Technically,the full revelation of the trinity wasn't concocted at the Nicene council but later at another council since their definition of *exactly* what the holy spirit was at the Nicene one was ambiguous to be sure.

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