Monday, October 29, 2012

Quick Question for Trinitarians!

This is a scripture that should really jolt any true critical thinker wide awake if he or she is interested.

Acts 3:13 says:

 "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus."

Okay, first note how the "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers" is distinguished from Yeshua as a separate being, succintly and irrefutably. Next, a serious question that must be answered: If the "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers" is a triune homoousios, how can He "glorify his servant Jesus" if Yeshua is that same "God of Abraham?" Yes, Acts 3:13 proves with zero doubt who the God of Deuteronomy 6:4 really is! If that God is supposed to be a trinity, then one would have to say "the trinity glorified his servant Jesus." I can hear the trinitarians now telling me that sometimes that One God is identified as just the father, and I would agree in a more consistent manner, but I think it's preposterous and desperate to make up whoever you want him to be at any given time to suit your own presuppositions and desires. If you're going to say it's just the father in Acts 3:13, then you should be consistent with that. Where's the holy spirit here? Is the "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers" one, two, or three people in Acts 3:13, and why would it ever be okay to be inconsistent with that interpretation? As a trinitarian, how comfortable are you saying that the One God of our fathers from Deuteronomy 6:4 glorified his "servant" Yeshua? What common sense impression should be gathered from such a statement?

The video says "Question number 1" because it was originally more than one question. This may be a series..not sure. It isn't that I don't know the typical trinitarian responses to such questions. It is that they don't seem honest, reliable, or reasonable. So when I ask such questions it is to plant seeds as opposed to gathering trinitarian responses unless those responses are going to help them see that they are abusing scripture. That they are defining God however they like whenever they like instead of just taking the explicit texts to tell them who he is without their added inference when they desire it.


  1. Hello sister,

    I landed on your blog thanks to a comment you posted on findingthetruth25's channel on Youtube.

    I'am also an ex JW, and I was feeling a bit lonely in my "unorthodox" way of understanding the Bible.

    I am non-trinitarian, I do not believe in Hell as it is tradionally understood by christianity, I believe that Jesus is our Lord and mediator, and that all christians should be born again. I believe Jesus will come back to earth and put things back the way they were supposed to be.

    Before even trying to read "apostate" material, I read the Bible by myself after I stopped going to meetings, and today my beliefs put me right in the middle between Christadelphians (I don't think there's a paradise in heaven, I don't believe the Devil is a person) and the Biblical Unitarians that I just discovered.

    I'm still very open on those topics, and if God's spirit convinces me I'm wrong, then I'll to change my views. It's actually happening everyday on little details and sometimes on biggers issues!

    Anyway, continue your good work and may God bless you, Alex.

  2. Hello Alex! Always wonderful to meet people who agree with me on the trinity being false and gehenna consuming, etc! Your support means a lot. I appreciate everything. I can't find a proper fellowship in this town, so it's always good just knowing about and hearing from others like yourself. We are not alone. Just know that and stay strong. And feel free to write me any time you feel like venting. I'll probably

    One of my favorite websites is Biblical truth seekers. It has all kinds of great articles for Christadelphians and JW's and orthodox Christians. It's a wonderful resource in my opinion. I appreciate your flexibility. That's very important and admirable because if the truth isn't agreeable to what we've thus far imagined, it's the only way we'll embrace it anyway. So many aren't open to the possibility of deception, but many ex-JW's like us are aware it's no joke! Thanks again, Alex.

  3. "If you do not believe that I AM HE, you shall die in your sins"

  4. Don't take verses out of context, Anonymous.. Jesus did not just say "I am he"...

    "When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

    The Pharisees challenged him, “Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid.”

    Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”

    19 Then they asked him, “Where is your father?”

    “You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus replied. “If you knew me, you would know my Father also.” He spoke these words while teaching in the temple courts near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his hour had not yet come.

    Dispute Over Who Jesus Is

    Once more Jesus said to them, “I am going away, and you will look for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come.”

    This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?”

    But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

    “Who are you?” they asked.

    “Just what I have been telling you from the beginning,” Jesus replied. “I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is trustworthy, and what I have heard from him I tell the world.”