Friday, January 9, 2009

Oh hell!!

**1 John 4:16 :God is love
**Ezekial 18:4 :Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
**Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death
**Ezekial 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.(hmm..aka NO LONGER ALIVE in any capacity)
**Psalm 30:5 For His anger is but for a moment, His favor is for a lifetime; Weeping may last for the night, But a shout of joy comes in the morning( a moment of anger=a lifetime of burning alive..don't think so!)
**Psalm 146:4 His spirit departs, he returns to the earth; In that very day his thoughts perish.(spirit refers to the life force God can give to those he resurrects.In the meantime,we are simply dead)
**2 Thessalonians 1:9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power(what does destruction mean?What does everlasting mean?)
**Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.( a destroyed soul!)
**John 3:16 God loved world so much he sent his son so we may not PERISH-->what does perish mean?
**Genesis 3:19-return to dust
**Ecclesiastes 3:20 made from dust,return there again.
**Revelation 21:8 their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death(1st death=there can be a resurrection.Second death,I'm guessing not so much.)
**Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten.
**James 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.(there's that word death again)
**Jeremiah 32:35 what an abominable doctrine..nothing like this would even enter God's mind,much less his amazing heart!
**Psalm 37:10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

Would you burn your child , let's say, with a cigarette for even a second (on the arm say) if they angered you? And you think Almighty God, who is INFINITELY more loving than we could imagine would burn the entire bod y(or soul rather) alive forever in a literal relentless fire?? You do know revelation and parables are symbolic,  right?

If someone who is self righteous and believes he knows no wrong and that he has salvation suddenly finds out he doesn't, Jesus will say to him "I never knew you!!"..Can you imagine the anguish, the horror, the lament, the "weeping and gnashing of teeth"..And if that is the judgment then the judgment IS the torment then the judgment aka the torment is everlasting! The unquenchable fire would just mean no one will put it out..there will be no relief. It will consume (another word used repeatedly in the bible to help us see what happens in fire) and become ashes (another word used to convey the fate of the unrighteous, like those in Sodom and Gomorrah.)

Imagery is often used by Jehovah and Jesus in a vivid manner to convey the power of God's will. And his will for the unrighteous is for them to CEASE TO EXIST after righteous fair punishment. You really think he wants to see Satan tormenting people in a literal hellfire for an eternity when Satan would get a sick pleasure out of it!? Satan's the sadist, not Jehovah! Jehovah doesn't want to see evil anywhere anymore ever again, and he certainly doesn't want his righteous children to be perturbed by the idea of people they may have loved being roasted for an eternity. After all, Jehovah hates the sin, not the sinner. He desires all the attain to repentance. We have the gift of free will. Now to abuse that is our prerogative and the punishment can be death for doing so. Why? Because those unwilling to recognize God as rightful sovereign of the universe have no rightful logical place in his kingdom..If rebellion and wickedness was allowed, there would be no peace and we'd end up right back here where we are now. In wars and strife, chaos and detriment!

It would be very easy to research the literal meaning of hell (sheol..literally,a grave!), and hades means about the same thing. Gehenna (as used at Mark 9:47,48 )is a literal garbage dump where carcasses and garbage etc. were tossed to consume them and get rid of them. Nothing was alive after being burned there..that's a guarantee. Hell is even said to be thrown into the lake of fire, so in other words in the new earth there won't be any need for graves or tombs or anything else..there will be no more death! We have two choices folks, life or death. And if knowing you could die forever instead of enjoying life in peace and perfection for an eternity, getting your every righteous hearts desire isn't incentive enough for you to serve our heavenly father, then dare I say ,you don't deserve him. The fear is supposed to be of dying forever and of displeasing our loving heavenly father, with no hope of resurrection and peace and life, not roasting for an eternity. That is blasphemy!

And for those who desire to take the above scriptures as symbolism instead of parables and revelation as symbolism then I pity you because MY God is LOVE. And you're being unreasonable as well ..Recognize the symbolism please. Even his judgment is tempered with mercy. He is perfectly balanced and considerate in all matters. We all have a sinful nature and our punishment for it is death. Eternal death after a just punishment if we don't exercise faith in Christ.

God doesn't even want to see anyone die, much less burn alive for heaven's sake!Y our preachers are lying to you if they support this satanic doctrine. Good ploy there Satan..let's get people thinking God is heartless and tyrannical..that'll pull the numbers on the side of atheism! God is JUST yes..what would be justice for sin? According to the word of God, death. Go beyond that and you are attributing satanic characteristics to God where they don't belong! The whole "death and ashes to the body while the soul never dies" nonsense is both illogical and unbiblical .I have seen ZERO PROOF that when we die, we remain awake outside our bodies. As if bodies sleep with no people in them. Nonsense.

Isaiah 34:9,10:It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever

The above is referring to the wicked city of Edom..Go there today and see if you see literal smoke and fire! Nope, it is emphasizing the desolation and the absolute destruction. This is some of the key symbolism and hyperbole from which Revelation and Jesus' reiteration of gehenna borrow from. We are SUPPOSED to interpret the NT symbolism in light of the OT's and it's explanation of it all! Not make up some literal interpretation that contradicts the OT's usage of the SAME SYMBOLISM.

Jude 1:7 (King James Version)
7Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

And that eternal fire did what?

2 Peter 2:6:and if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and DESTROYED them by burning them to ASHES, making them an example to ungodly people of what is going to happen to them;

Eternal fire = destruction, ashes, annihilation. The destruction is "eternal" as opposed to the "destroying process" being eternal.

Weeping, gnashing, torment=judgment=eternal, in that is it final. The SECOND death and the dead involved are eternally DEAD. No resurrection from the "second death."

2 Peter 2:6:for the righteous man through seeing and hearing, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul day after day with their lawless works

Yes, the torment IS knowing you don't know God and knowing you will die while being cast from the kingdom and punished for your sin! I can't even imagine standing before the throne of God being judged for hypocrisy or unrighteousness or whatever else! Truly fear inspiring indeed!

Hell as taught by traditionalists is a slanderous doctrine. Who is the original slanderer of God? Yes, this is a Satanic doctrine!

Isaiah 47:14:Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame

What does stubble mean? Eternal unkillable soul outside the stubble? Reason is your friend.

"Smoke ascending forever and ever" is emphasizing the finality of the consequences of the judgment. Again, when Edom was destroyed and it smoked forever, was that literal? Or does it just mean it has been burned up..forever?

Job 21:30:That the wicked is reserved to the day of DESTRUCTION? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.

Job 21:32:"While he is carried to the grave, Men will keep watch over his tomb.

Ezekial 18:20:The soul that sinneth, it shall die

We've all desired peace on earth, right? That's because God has put that desire in our hearts. I think it is interesting that so many are not intimately familiar with whether or not they will actually reside in heaven and what that means. Yet everyone desires peace and healing and health and happiness on earth. Well imagine if that earth is perfect and you are perfect and everything is cleansed and new and wonderful! You can have that! What Adam and Eve could've had had they not sinned. And keep in mind, God's purposes NEVER change, so, quite frankly, Paradise earth MUST be realized..And if you find out you can't and others can be a part of it, what will you feel? Tormented perhaps? To reiterate,the judgment is the torment..the judgment is forever. Therefore the the "fire=annihilation" is eternal, a cessation of existence. (repetition..bringin it home)
annihilation. Ashes, stubble, existing no more, destroyed, dead. KAPUT. THAT is the lake of fire.

What does it mean when the bible says "both soul and body" if you think they are the same thing? Well, soul can mean more than one thing. One would be the body (the entire person) "man became a living soul" and sometimes it can mean life, so when the bible says fear he who can kill both soul AND body, it means your literal body as as well as your prospect for resurrection and life, or eternal life even. In relation to Gehenna, it would mean both your body and your prospect for life and resurrection will be gone,"burned up" so to speak. Still don't believe souls can be annihilated.? What more do you need? I can't emphasize enough that symbolism is still symbolism no matter how vivid it is. No matter how preachers like to tickle your ears with it and make it literal! More money for them if God is sadist, right? One might think "if I give more,maybe I'll be spared from literal eternal fire" when there is NO such thing as literal eternal fire. Fire consumes what it burns. Eternal is indicative of the finality of that consumption. Sometimes "forever and ever " doesn't mean forever and ever, but for as long as something in particular lasts. When someone burns "forever and ever" he is burning until he is consumed. Period. Jonah was said to be in the belly of the fish "forever"..was he really or was he in there till he was spit out?

Why would the bible say this--"day and night forever and rest"..Ever heard the expression"No rest for the wicked", imagine the soul-turbulence when one is being judged for destruction instead of life!.So the no rest= the judgment..and again the effects of the judgment last more life prospect! And again,"day and night forever and ever" is BORROWED language from Isaiah chapter 34 where it isn't literal at all. Let the bible interpret itself. Whatever it means,we are able to discern that it isn't literal from it's use elsewhere where hyperbole and symbolism is more than apparent.

I can only urge you to do your own examination and studies to "make sure of all things". Perhaps you could read about Plato's philosophies in connection with the "immortality of the soul" and how it is in fact a man made doctrine and not a reality. Of course some will inherit the GIFT of immortality. Everyone else will be gone..forever. Otherwise peace and righteousness in an UTTERLY cleansed and wonderful world could only be a dream.

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