Sunday, January 4, 2009

Trinity answers

These are questions I found on a website for the trinity.I had pasted them in my documents and just briefly answered and so pasted my answers(beginning with *) with them.I can't find the website(where I got the questions) anymore.Forgive me.

1) If Jesus is a created being and not fully God, then it is hard to see how He as a creature could bear the full wrath of God against all of our sins.** because everything he has, all power and authority has been GIVEN him to the glory of the father..Yahweh wished it to be so and caused it to be so. His name literally means "he causes to become"..If He sends his spirit upon someone then that person is able to do all that God allows him to do. 2) If Jesus is not fully God then justification by faith alone is called into question. If Jesus isn't fully God, then we could rightly doubt whether we can fully trust Him to save us completely.**He is the "second Adam"..Adam was the first created earthly man and Jesus was the first perfect man of God's NEW creation, uniquely begotten by God's spirit through a virgin womb. They were both sons of God ..God is perfectly just so a perfect son had to buy back what another perfect son had lost. That equals salvation. (in the name of justice)..God could foreknow that Jesus would perfectly fulfill all his salvation plans for mankind without Jesus ever having to be God. Just the faithful and true LAST ADAM. 3) If Jesus is not fully God, should we pray to Him? Who but an infinite God has the ability to hear and respond to all the prayers of all of God's people? Would it not be idolatry to worship Jesus (no matter how powerful) if He isn't fully God? Yet in Philippians 2:9-11 and Revelation 5:12-14 we are taught to worship Jesus.**1st of all there are different meanings of proskuneo. It could be just obeisance or reverence. But if it is worship it ALSO is to THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER. People proskuneoe'd kings and representatives of Yahweh all through the OT so how much more so would people worship, admire, and bow before the appointed king of God's heavenly kingdom? It isn't idolatry or polytheism if God tells us to bow before someone. In the OT, he usually stressed the worship of himself only because of idol and false god worship, not because of people's reverence for his representatives and kings he had made mighty. Also, I don't see a problem in addressing Jesus in prayer as long as you recognize his father's role in his exalted position and use him as mediator to reach the Almighty..who always uses representatives and mediators. In other words, if you address Jesus in prayer, recognize his might and power, but also recognize his father's giving that might and power to him. The Lord's prayer is our model prayer and we are to address the father (who even trinitarians know isn't Jesus) in Jesus name,as mediator between God and man. 4) If somebody denies that Jesus is fully God who has always possessed all the attributes of God; yet nonetheless say that it was Jesus who saves us; then this teaching wrongly begins to attribute credit for salvation to a creature and not to God Himself. **They are both saviors..they can individually be called saviors as well because the salvation would not have occurred if Yahweh hadn't sent his son and if Jesus hadn't complied and died. For an example and to put things in perspective examine the following verses:

At revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father

Now from this we can conclude this:
Jehovah..shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers
Jesus..shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers
the faithful anointed shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers

Make sense?
If God grants power to persons, they too have God's power to whatever extent he gives it.

5) If Jesus is not fully God, then the independence and personal nature of God is at stake: If there is no Trinity of three persons, each of which are fully God, then there were no interpersonal relationships within God before creation. Without interpersonal relationships, it is difficult to see how God could be genuinely personal and how we could relate to such a being.* **EVEN WE are created in his image and we are able to connect with others without having the example of multiple personages within our body. So this argument is moot. And if you use the argument that man can be father, son, and brother all at the same time, I ask you..can the brother role within that man be called that man alone? God, like man, has many attributes and roles to play and fill, but all those attributes and roles are not literal people come to life individually inside him. Who in the world says God has to be surrounded by multiple persons within his own being to be able to aptly be called love or filled with such? I can be alone and yet love. Even if I was alone in the world. In fact ..I would want others like me around which is probably why God created to begin with. Self love is every bit as palpable as love shared with others. GOD IS LOVE.

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